tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3917626248398447718.post1426272438016287964..comments2023-05-12T03:02:32.971-05:00Comments on Save the Lightwell: Rule #1Mongrrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04966611904001848517noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3917626248398447718.post-23994324160867728972010-05-19T20:10:34.499-05:002010-05-19T20:10:34.499-05:00anon 1: this was my exact reason for leaving. w...anon 1: this was my exact reason for leaving. without going into long boring details i felt cataclysm leadership (not all of them i know, but i can't say who argued for or against what so here they'll get lumped) was simply trying to run a family/casual guild. the people from parabola joined with the expressed intent of progression, and it's very obvious that many of the cata members wanted the same thing. in the end, rules and standards were applied by who you were instead of what you were bringing to the group.<br /><br />anon 2: as amath said above calling people out for being bad and not using consumables was specifically, and repeatedly brought up by the leadership.<br /> i'm going to assume that you are not an officer, if you were then you would have much more insight as to why we left. this fact in and of itself was one of the major rifts. the method of handling everything in secret then expecting everyone to blindly follow and do what they're told or face retaliation is completely unacceptable to me. if you don't believe that this is happening let me give you an example of major decisions being made without guild input. <br /> part of the agreement for parabola to join was that we had no trial membership, and from our first night we were eligible for loot to the extent of what our dkp could buy. if you search the forums there is an officer post made just a couple days before we joined that told the guild the exact opposite of this agreement. the issue came to light the very first week, and by the second raid terrible decisions by the leadership had already caused segregation in the guild that was never overcome.<br /><br />i don't want to make this too long so i'll end with that, but if you want more information from the other side of the story, feel free to ask me in game any time.EWShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16046793515511432265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3917626248398447718.post-44763009999079243652010-05-19T14:30:44.671-05:002010-05-19T14:30:44.671-05:00@Anonymous #2.
Never in this post did I say that ...@Anonymous #2.<br /><br />Never in this post did I say that 'Progression Oriented' was synonymous with being an asshole. I've re-read my post a few times, and nowhere does it state that. If that's what you got out of the post, then it just proves my point that "douchebaggery" or "being an asshole" is relative. So is having a rule like "Rule #1."<br /><br />The point of this post was to point out a specific flaw that I have seen with guilds that use rules like "Don't be a douchebag" as their paramount rule. A rule like this is too open for abuse by the leadership, as well as members to get what they want without actually having to have any set parameters, or set-in-stone guidelines. This means that it is wide open for things like preferential treatment, because they might think that someone who does one thing is being a "douchebag" where someone else who does something very similar, is not.<br /><br />While I am extremely disappointed about what happened with Cataclysm (I personally enjoyed raiding there quite a bit, and there are some great folks in that guild), I will be completely honest in saying that it was the Guild Leadership's use (and application) of "Rule #1" and not having it apply to themselves that drove me (personally) away.<br /><br />Were some of the Parabola folks who joined Cataclysm assholes? You bet. The leadership in the guild, in my opinion, was absolutely no better... they were just assholes in different ways. Again, it's all relative... just like Rule #1.<br /><br />Also, I agree with Adgamorix, that anonymous posts violate said "Rule #1," so I've disabled anonymous posting for now.<br /><br />I have no problem with people agreeing, or disagreeing with the things I have to say, or them posting about it here... I just prefer to know who it is that I'm defending my posts from, or who I'm arguing with. Anonymous posts, and backdoor dealings are the way of Cataclysm, and I prefer a more transparent route.<br /><br />Thanks. <br /><br />--MongrrMongrrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04966611904001848517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3917626248398447718.post-74447113689168633942010-05-19T11:18:29.807-05:002010-05-19T11:18:29.807-05:00@Anonymous #2 - actually, calling people out for b...@Anonymous #2 - actually, calling people out for being bad - or not using proper consumables, was one of the larger points in telling us we'd violated Rule #1. You're obviously from Cataclysm - so understand that it's not that we didn't like the players there, it's that we didn't agree with the management style. <br /><br />Oh, and posting Anonymously violates Rule #1 :)Adgamorixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07642665863641484225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3917626248398447718.post-67783149679051431372010-05-19T10:52:45.546-05:002010-05-19T10:52:45.546-05:00When did 'progression oriented' become syn...When did 'progression oriented' become synonymous with asshole? Not a single time was someone accused of being a douchebag for calling people out for bad performance or not using the proper consumables.<br /><br />Certainly douchebaggery is relative, but at the end of the day it comes down to how you want to spend your 12 hours a week and $15 a month. If you enjoy pissing people off, calling names, etc by all means go ahead, just don't expect every other group to share the same sentiments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3917626248398447718.post-65206579636531897022010-05-13T18:32:58.748-05:002010-05-13T18:32:58.748-05:00Sugar coated guild leadership is not progression o...Sugar coated guild leadership is not progression oriented, and apparently neither are Cataclysm's core values anymore. The GM is one who came into progression raiding just a few short weeks ago and has the apparent mindset that everyone should be nudged along nicely, sadly enough this wont cut it in hard mode ICC because people still like to prove points in raids which hinder the other 24 people there.<br /><br />In closing, it is not a positive progression raiding environment, nor will it be one in the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com